1979 Fender Vibrolux Reverb with tremolo issues. Should I charge more for silver panel amps???

 Here was a mess.......

Fender 2x10" Vibrolux Reverb circa 1979. When it came across my bench it had your typical noise issues and one nasty "bumpity bump" from the tremolo circuit. 

Once I opened it up the first thing I noticed was someone had done a rather half assed job at a black panel conversion (AA964 circuit.) So I figured I may as well complete the job. I changed all the elecrolytic caps first which helped but there was still that tremolo issue. Curiously enough it  was far worse when you turn the reverb up! So I started by eliminating that boost circuit, which takes away a length of wire that is about 8" long traveling from the reverb transformer output to a switch on the back of the volume pot. That made a little bit of difference, less wire generally equals less issues. But that didn't knock out the problem. 

Sometimes this problem is as simple as changing the tremolo tube or the "bug" network (the photo cell neon bulb thing) or just putting a .1 cap across the bug from the 10M resistor to ground. This was already standard factory goodness by then and the amp had that, though they used a .01. I upped it to a .1.....

Next I noticed the 2.7k cathode resistor and the 820 ohm resistor were opposite of where they were on a black panel amp. The 2k7 resistor should be on the left closer to the tremolo tube and the 820 ohm resistor should be on the right closer to the reverb recovery / mixer tube. That made a sizable difference. And it came that way from the factory. I next changed the cathode cap on the 100k resistor on the tremolo tube to a 4.7uf. That helped too.....

But, I like things to be close to perfect. When you turn up the reverb it still did the bump like my parents did in 1978 at the disco in Germany. Cool for the dance floor though they were told to "get a room" by an English fellow.

So what to do next? 

The silver panel amps can be cantankerous. They're just not that well made. The foundation is there: great transformers, hand wired, this one retained the 5u4 tube rectifier, but they just used things like cheaper wire. I've had noisy silver amps that I literally needed to change the wire to get the noise level down.

In this case it became clear to me they just used too much wire! Lead dress is important. 

I mean, look at this jive:

An experienced tech can see the problem. The wires on the tremolo tube are way too long and crossing the wires on the reverb recovery tube! This is factory wiring folks from the CBS days. So I proceeded to shorten the wires and move them away from one another....

That knocked out the problem. I wound up shortening the leads throughout the amp. Overall, it lost about a foot + of wire!

I cannot imagine this isn't a problem that developed with time. The wiring was all factory and the amp has been played hard for the last 40 years. I'm stunned to see that no one attempted to correct this issue before, or maybe the previous owners never used the tremolo circuit. That's plausible. Tremolo isn't for everybody.

So now this amp is ready for proper use. It's got a great sound and I feel good about it going to a new home. When I had my own shop I'd roll my eyes whenever a 70's Fender came in. Most were okay, straightforward, but many were challengers. 

So hopefully this post will help another tech out. Do look at the lead dress. There was a good amount of haste in those days at Fender. I mean look at a 1979 Stratocaster. My first guitar was one and it was terrible. Seriously a sad, heavy, careless piece of corporate lack. This amp is better than that guitar, they were just five dollars away from making both well but chose to cut corners. Fortunately this amp is now terrific cause amps are easier to transform! My poor old guitar will never be good. I didn't feel bad giving that one away years ago!

JB

1963 Fender Bandmaster, tremolo issue. And, how to slow that tremolo down

 Today was fun. 3 silver panel Fenders and a blonde. All of them were a hot mess of craptastic tech work! Poor soldering, poor choice of components, general laziness.

The best was this 1963 Bandmaster......

These are one of my all time favorites. They're genuinely weird amps in the Fender canon. With active tone controls that people largely rejected and that lush absolutely glorious 3 tube harmonic vibrato that was likely quite expensive to produce. It sounds closer to a Univibe than what any other Fender produces. It's got a phase shifter quality. Not like the pitch bending Magnatone, it's just a shade subtler. 

These amps used to be cheap as chips. Not any more, yet they aren't all that popular. People prefer the tweed and black series, these are just, odd. I bought one for $300 in 1991 and played it with a JTM45 together during the Grunge Scare of the early 90's. Big tone!

So this one was a mess. Just general poor tech work on the inside. It was re-capped years ago. I re-did the electrolytics. The whole thing was Orange Dropped. Not my favorite but since I was on a budget I let them be. Besides, most of them were the old polyester series which I like very much. Only a few were the 715 series.

The choke and output transformers are replacements, the choke being from 1966 and the output transformer is from 1972. Not the least bit unusual on this model. I've seen more Bandmasters throughout the whole range that had bad output transformers and a handful with bad chokes. I think they were just a hair under rated, but that's part of what gives a Bandmaster it's special sound. These parts were likely replaced years ago as this amp has been around the country making music. It's had a life and a half!

So once I got the basics done I noticed the obnoxious "thump thump thump thump thump" of the vibrato system hadn't gotten any better. Simple fix. One of the cathode bypass caps in the circuit was supposed to be a 2uf cap. Someone upped that to a 10uf cap. The tremolo circuit in any amp can be very sensitive so it's best to go with the original component values. Problem was solved right away.

Sometime it's a bad tube that causes this, or a bad cap or resistor. Today I was lucky. No time tied up in trouble shooting mode.

But..... while I love the tone quality of the vibrato in these amps I wasn't satisfied. It was just to fast. Not enough range. Rather boring. Simple mod took care of that.

Locate the 3 caps in series that create the oscillation. On the plate its .02, the other two are .01. I simply doubled the 3rd cap by placing another .01 cap in parallel to the one connected to ground. First try it out:

You can try different cap values here and if you like it cut those leads and give it a permanent home:

Not a bad idea to do it this way rather than replace the original component so if down the road you want to remove it there ya go!

Anyhow, this one is making music again and is for sale at Southside Guitars here in Brooklyn. It's a fantastic amp. Player grade yes, but you're a player right?

JB

Hum reduction in a 1965 Fender Vibrochamp, fix that filament line!

 

This article is about a nice player grade 1965 "Fender Electric Instrument Company" Vibrochamp that came across the bench. However, this applies to many other amps out there.

This amp came to me in reasonably good condition. Speaker was replaced with an 8 ohm (I installed an early 70's 3.2 ohm Jensen) and the output transformer is long gone and was replaced with a classy Mercury Magnetics Tone Clone. It had been re-capped reasonably well and this included the signal caps. I like pristine amps but I kinda like ones like this a bit more. I don't feel bad about making improvements in such an amp, and I know it will not sit in a museum after it leaves, it will be used in a living room or someones studio as it was meant to be. These amps are no longer cheap so I do my best to make them as functional as possible.

So the trouble was even after a re-cap it still had a good deal of hum. That's actually not all that unusual on one of these and it's challenging to get the hum out of a class A single ended amp to begin with. The trouble with these lies in the filament line. To cut cost on this little student amp Fender grounded one end of the filament line along with one side of the filament in each tube. This creates a wide and kind of stupid path and eliminates the hum reducing effects of having a twisted filament line as you see in anything from the Princeton on up to the Twin.

This is a pretty easy thing to fix. An experienced tech can knock it out in about a half hour.

So first thing locate the green wire that is going to ground near the filter caps. That is one side of the 6.3VAC filament line. Un-solder it or simply cut it. It's soldered to the same point as the center tap on the high voltage line (red with yellow stripe):

Next unsolder the tab on your pilot light that is connected to the housing which is ground:

Take the green wire that you disconnected from ground and solder it to the tab you have liberated from the pilot light:

Now add the wire you will be using for the other side of the filament. I use high quality cloth heavy gauge wire for this. It's nice to work with and it looks classy. Some day someone will open this amp up and I'd rather have it look good when they do!  Here's a link to the good stuff....

https://www.angela.com/clothcoveredwire18gaugegreenperfoot.aspx

Added wire:

Next disconnect the ground wires attached to pin 7 on the 6V6 and pin 9 on both 12AX7 tubes:

Remove them:

Now add the green wire and carefully twist it like you see in bigger amps. You want it to float above the tube sockets and drop down over them. 

Now for the all important ground reference! The original Fender power transformer has a center tapped filament. Woo hoo! You'll likely see an extra wire that is green / yellow just taped off with electrical tape. You will need to extend it likely. Do that, add heat shrink tubing for safety and simply solder it to ground:

Now this is one method of creating ground reference. It's actually not my preferred method. I like using a 100 ohm pot across the filaments with the center tap either going to ground or to pin 8 (cathode) in the output tube. You can really dial it in this way. But if that's not an option you can also just use 2x 100 ohm resistors across the filament to ground or to the cathode. The advantage is safety. If your 6V6 plate shorts to the filament and your fuse doesn't pop, you'll burn up those 2 resistors rather than burn up your 6.3v heater winding, thus destroying the power transformer. Better to burn up a couple bucks over a transformer that cost a C note or better and making your hip amp even more "player grade" than it is.

As an example here's what it looks like, 100 ohm resistors going from pin 2 and 7 to pin 8:

This is an arrangement you see in a lot of old hi-fi amplifiers. My own hi fi amps have this arrangement as well.

Now, will this eliminate the hum? In my experience, no. But it will greatly reduce the hum. Can the hum be eliminated? It likely can by converting the 6.3VAC to DC with a bridge rectifier and voltage regulation. But why bother. It's a guitar amp that was never meant to be perfect. 

Now I have done this mod (described in this article, not DC conversion!) in push pull amps. One is the very well built and classy Guild 66J. Nearly silent. The other of note is the not well built and trashy Silvertone 1484. A customer pushed me and pushed me years ago and lo and behold, this made him happy. Quietest Silvertone on the planets. And if you are going to buy a Guild 66J (very under-rated!) buy this one:

https://reverb.com/item/27327344-guild-66-j-1958-tweed

It's one I had the pleasure of working on. Brand new expensive filter can and quiet filament line.....

One other thing of note. I did replace the cathode bias resistor as it was burnt up real good..... I like to use a 5 watter myself. These old Champs run very hot. You can experiment with the value on this resistor. Try going up to 750 ohms or better. This may, and I haven't tried this myself, reduce some hum as well. The 6V6 cooks in a typical Champ. The later 70's ones in my experience can really burn through tubes. If this is a problem for you that is worth having a look. 

If you notice I always separate the cathode bias resistor from the capacitor. This is to reduce heat getting on that cap. With the standard 2-3 watt resistor people like to use it gets very hot. I've seen it melt that cap literally. Again with some 70's amps the little white cap is almost always melted! I also always go with a 50V or better cap in this position. Just from experience, if it's a hot Champ a 25V cap may blow up, literally! And if you do experiment with a higher value resistor please note the voltage will rise on that cap.

Once you are done remember always use a Variac or a current limiter to test your amp. Remove the 5Y3 rectifier and make sure your filament line is good before adding the high voltage. Tubes should light up as well as the #47 pilot light. 

And I cannot stress enough, safety first. Always double check your work as you go along. I just had a 70's Princeton with so many errors in it, big errors. Go slow and if you don't feel comfortable doing this kind of thing, pay someone with a good reputation to take care of you! Your amp wasn't cheap and it's worth it!

J